tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38420906.post2607813358952706805..comments2023-06-29T04:07:06.738-06:00Comments on The Boise Bus Blog: Transit funding bill will be printedJulie Fanselowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09914548762794031621noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38420906.post-34441587292676748972007-03-02T15:11:00.000-07:002007-03-02T15:11:00.000-07:00Some great comments here ... thank you all. It see...Some great comments here ... thank you all. It seems like the bottom line is that everyone would benefit from better transit, whether they use it or not, in less congested roads and cleaner air.<BR/><BR/>Those are great points to make to the legislators who will be taking up this issue next week.Julie Fanselowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09914548762794031621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38420906.post-78860763643592339242007-03-02T13:08:00.000-07:002007-03-02T13:08:00.000-07:00"Idaho Dad", I agree that we are a mobile society ..."Idaho Dad", I agree that we are a mobile society and our whole discussion is about keeping us mobile. The way it works today is that gas tax will go up significantly so that we can expand roads. That is because the gas tax is primary funding source of road development. Transit is a way to decrease the demand for road widening. In fact, it is a much more efficient way to do it as well. Unfortunately the Idaho transportation department is constitutionally forbidden from looking at transit as a way to decrease traffic congestion. Remember, transit benefits those that use it AND those that don't by decreasing congestion. Thus, the people who travel for work do benefit. With that said, I do think businesses should offer more incentives or pay taxes themselves. St Lukes provides free bus service for all employees, if others stepped up in a similar fashion, we would have more funding with no taxes.wolf21mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07699017294641611884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38420906.post-14187617055279045752007-03-02T12:55:00.000-07:002007-03-02T12:55:00.000-07:00When I see a comment like, "We're a mobile society...When I see a comment like, "We're a mobile society, get used to it," I tend to get discouraged (or angry).<BR/><BR/>It indicates somebody who is satisfied with the status quo, and/or the direction in which we are headed.<BR/><BR/>I'm an Idaho dad, too. As a Boise native, born when the State Capitol was the tallest building in town and maybe 25,000 population, I am NOT happy with the direction MY community is going in. We are clearly following the "Mobile Society Los Angeles Basin Model." (We're close to the point where I'll think, "Boise USED to be a nice place.")<BR/><BR/>I pretty much abandoned my car in 1985, so as not to be part of the problem. When I hear people complain about yellow-alert smog days, I'd <I>love</I> to say, "We're a mobile society, get used to it!" (Unfortunately, I breathe that same air.) When I hear people bellyaching about traffic gridlock, I try to bite my tongue instead of saying, "Get used to it!"<BR/><BR/>Okay... I'll get off the soapbox now.Bikeboyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17379272663647894409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38420906.post-32132085922969575622007-03-02T10:19:00.000-07:002007-03-02T10:19:00.000-07:00Thanks for visiting and commenting, Idaho Dad. Two...Thanks for visiting and commenting, Idaho Dad. Two thoughts on your comment: <BR/><BR/>1) Perhaps, rather than (or in addition to) taxing the companies for single-occupant parking spaces, companies could offer tangible incentives for people who carpool, take transit, bike, or walk to work. One reason the Salt Lake City light rail is so successful is because some large employers got behind it. <BR/><BR/>2) You wrote: "Many workers need their cars for their daily business so should we be taxing them for something that they have no practical use? "<BR/><BR/>Somehow, some way, we need to help workers use their cars less during the day, too. Fifteen-minute bus intervals (as envisioned in Boise under the coalition scenario) would be a huge help, since workers could then take transit to and from many business appointments. Carpooling to meetings; concentrating meetings or sales calls in a walkable area on a given day; doing some meetings via phone, email, or teleconferencing; scheduling meetings on the way to or from the workplace so they don't require a separate trip ... again, it's a matter of being creative and maybe sacrificing just a little bit of "efficiency" in the name of cleaner air and less clogged roadways.<BR/><BR/>I am very encouraged that local businesses seem to be behind the idea of better transit. That is absolutely critical to progress.Julie Fanselowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09914548762794031621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38420906.post-87504212595168626472007-03-02T10:03:00.000-07:002007-03-02T10:03:00.000-07:00Of the millions of miles driven in the Treasure Va...Of the millions of miles driven in the Treasure Valley, only a small percentage could be converted to mass transit. The large businesses like WGI, Blue Cross, Micron and HP should be taxed for their single occupant vehicle parking spaces. If we are going to give out tax credits to encourage "economic growth" it should come with responsibilities. <BR/>Many workers need their cars for their daily business so should we be taxing them for something that they have no practical use? <BR/>The idea of using gas taxes to penalize drivers as an incentive to ride the bus simple does not work. It just makes drivers mad when they sit at stop lights or in congestion burning expensive gas. We are a mobile society, get used to it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38420906.post-89634285522238766992007-03-02T07:00:00.000-07:002007-03-02T07:00:00.000-07:00wolf21, thanks for the clarification.The lack of g...wolf21, thanks for the clarification.<BR/><BR/>The lack of grocery tax rollback and the possibility of another local option tax for a community college are certainly complicating factors. <BR/><BR/>But as daunting as the local option path appears, it seems marginally more doable than amending the constitution to allow a gas tax.Julie Fanselowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09914548762794031621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38420906.post-79769469698493262132007-03-01T13:54:00.000-07:002007-03-01T13:54:00.000-07:00As a member of the coalition, I can say that a sal...As a member of the coalition, I can say that a sales tax was not considered the most fair, it was considered most reasonable. This was also as we were assurred that grocery sales tax relief was likely (not the annual credit that they are now considering).<BR/>Gas tax is my favorite option. The downside is that Idaho's constitution says that gas tax cannot be used for public transit purposes. Thus, you would first have to amend the constitution (vote of house, senate, governor, and public), some at a super majority (house and senate I think). Then you would have to pass the legislation itself.wolf21mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07699017294641611884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38420906.post-903238244681239012007-03-01T12:36:00.000-07:002007-03-01T12:36:00.000-07:00Great points, bikeboy. Your arguments are sound.Th...Great points, bikeboy. Your arguments are sound.<BR/><BR/>The gas tax idea has tremendous merit: Make people pay more at the pump, and they'll rethink their driving habits.<BR/><BR/>However, given the sad state of current transit in Boise, many people have little choice but to drive to work, and the gas tax would probably prove regressive, hurting poor drivers the most. <BR/><BR/>I believe the transit coalition looked at about a dozen possible funding sources, including gas tax, vehicle registration tax, head tax, etc., and decided the sales tax would be the most fair. So now, as you say, the object is to get <I>something</I> done. <BR/><BR/>It's going to be a tough climb to pass a local option tax with a two-thirds supermajority, but that's the only shot we have right now - assuming we can get this through the legislature.Julie Fanselowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09914548762794031621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38420906.post-91685052790405578932007-02-28T12:51:00.000-07:002007-02-28T12:51:00.000-07:00I'm curious as to what Mr. Roberts' definition of ...I'm curious as to what Mr. Roberts' definition of "causing the problem" would be... who would pay the "head tax."<BR/><BR/>Are you "causing the problem" by virtue of living in Ada or Canyon Counties? What if you stay in your house 24/7, and never hit the streets?<BR/><BR/>Wouldn't it be safe to assume that the person who drives 20,000 miles per year is causing more "problem" than the one who drives 5000? Or already rides the bus? Or a bike? Or walks?<BR/><BR/>It could be argued that the person who commutes 25 miles from home to work, is causing twice the problem of the person who commutes 12 miles.<BR/><BR/>For absolute fairness, it might be reasonable to add a public-transportation surcharge to the gas tax. (Less so, to vehicle registration. Less so, general sales tax.) Theoretically the people who buy the most gas, use the roads the most and "cause the most problem."<BR/><BR/>The point? We could debate for the next 100 years about how to solve the problem, without doing ANYTHING! So lets start with SOMETHING, and then try to make it better as we have more time to discuss and debate.Bikeboyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17379272663647894409noreply@blogger.com